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comparison of full fabric 2P and 3P tents for colder nights

comparison some of the best freestanding full fabric 2P tents in 2021

feature Sea to Summit Telos TR2 PLUS OneTigris Stella Mont Dragonfly Exped Orion II
price on sale $AU879 $AU282 $AU999 $AU1199
season usage 3+ season 4 season but not warm weather 4 season and still great in summer 4 season and still good in summer although consider Extreme version with silnylon UV fly
best for.. ultralight hiking in warm or cool areas cool to cold conditions as minimal mesh ventilation alpine hiking; very spacious all purpose tent although there are lighter options for most hiking needs; tall people; 1-2 adults hiking; unprotected sites eg. Iceland, alpine base camps; high rain/wind cool-cold climate areas; car camping for those with bad backs
weight 1.7kg 2kg 2.65kg 3.2kg
packed size 13 x 13 x 48cm 50 x 15cm 44x18cm + 45cm poles 42 x 16cm
storm / wind proofing ?good ?good excellent excellent
livability in prolonged rain 1P dubious, inner space the smallest; OK excellent as spacious, waterproof floor and zip ceiling vents excellent thanks to large vestibules and doors
set up in rain without inner wet yes no yes with footprint? yes
pole attachment clipped clipped clipped all threaded
poles 8.5 and 9.0mm 7001 alloy 9.6mm DAC 9mm DAC
colours green or grey black with white inner green with yellow inner red or green with yellow inner
inner tent 20D nylon with mesh ceiling vent and mesh upper part of doors 20D all nylon 20D all nylon (15D on 2020 model) 30D all nylon
floor 30D 8000mm floor 40D silnylon 3,000mm 70D, 25,000mm 70D 10,000mm
fly 15D silPeU 1200mm with apex vent 20D silnylon 3000mm with above door overhang vents 30D sil PU 2000mm with above door vents which align with inner vents which can allow nice bird hide capability 40D PU 1500mm with above door overhang vents (Extreme has SilNylon)
inner height 105cm 115cm external height 110cm 125cm
internal width 109 to 134cm 125cm ext? 140cm 130cm
internal length 215cm 210cm ext? 220cm 215cm
internal area 2.62sqm sq.m 3.08sq.m 2.7sq.m
vestibule width 75cm ?cm 70cm 95cm
vestibule area 1.6sq.m sq.m 2.3sq.m
ingress/egress good v.good good excellent
door size large doors 130cm base x 83cm high
dual layer door NO, 2/3rds nylon, upper 1/3rd mesh NO, fabric only except small mesh at top full rolls up to upper/rear of tent full, rolls up to centre of tent
door position triangular base at end curved triangular starts at non-wind end central triangular base at bottom central D doors
door rain protection with fly open OK if pegged out OK if pegged out? seems good but only if pegged out, less protection if folded fully back very good as deep vestibule overhang
ridge pole upward concave to give extra height to doors standard std convex convex to ground
ability to open wind end vestibule yes, entire fly can be opened at each end and left attached in middle for fast closure if rain comes yes yes also has part way pegging options - half way at foot end on left and half way at head end on right, while 1/3rd the way on left head end and 1/3rd the way on right foot end; this allows for best vision out on left side with best wind chill protection to upper body on right side irrespective of which end is head end; no, unless remove ridge pole and use guy ropes
fully nylon sealed inner dust proof mode NO No small mesh top each door yes yes
zippable open inner vents only upper part doors? No doors and ceiling vents - all dual nylon/mesh only doors
can set up without fly yes and can also have fly attached in middle and ready to apply yes yes yes but more difficult and need guy ropes
can set up with fly only yes and can be used as Hangout sun shade mode with trekking poles to elevate one end no ?possibly with footprint yes, easy
extra features Hangout mode; fly can stay on in middle only; pack comes in 3 parts for sharing and also doubles as tent pockets and diffused holder for ceiling lamps; use as a bird hide; has most waterproof floor and the strongest poles which double cross; gear loft; 3 ceiling carabiners; asymmetric door zipping and vestibule pegging options so left side of head gives max. vision while right side gives maximum windchill protection to upper body when fabric on each of the doors is half unzipped irrespective of which end you have your head so if wind direction changes 180deg during the night you can just swap head position without need to rotate the tent; extra height for tall people; large doors; hybrid tunnel design with ridge pole to ground; gear loft; tiny storage pocket; floor may not be waterproof enough
potential cons may not be as stormproof or durable; much less spacious inside; NOT for warm conditions as no vents apart from small door mesh; not a lot of vestibule rain protection when open; only one ceiling carabiner, no gear loft; tiny storage pocket; floor may not be waterproof enough a little heavy for everyday hiking; plastic clips might be an issue if stepped on; 2nd pole needs to feed through the plastic clips on 1st pole so need to pitch at home first to understand this; heaviest and most expensive of the 4; poles need to feed through tunnels of the fly thus can't be used without the fly;
other versions mesh version: $AU849 NB. 2020 version only has 15D nylon inner; 2021 version has 20D; Extreme version has UV protected silnylon fly but gets saggy and takes longer to dry when wet; Orion III is a 3P version;
GREAT VALUE FOR MONEY!!! Compared to full nylon Mont Moondance II, the Dragonfly is 10cm wider, stronger pole layout with shorter poles, larger vestibules with additional peg out options, 30D fly instead of 20D, 70D floor instead of 40D, more storm-proof, door are full dual mesh/nylon not just the upper half for greater ventilation options and is thus 560g heavier

other 2P full fabric tents

single wall tents for use inside larger shelters

  • 3F UL Gear Kangaroo
    • similar to the Vidalido Land Yu but more expensive, much heavier fabric, comes with 20D foot print, mesh seems heavier, rear door height is slightly lower than front door to allow for more options in various tents and the poles do not seem as rigid
    • 230G black TC polyester cotton fabric
    • 3000mm 210D floor
    • Unlike the Vidalido Land Yu, the mesh mode of the doors is much smaller than the door itself - avoids zipper confusion but does mean less ventilation and less visibility - better for cold conditions but the Vidalido is better for warmer nights, and it doesn't have the zipper for power cords
    • 1P: 3.9kg 220x90x132cm packs to 50x19x16cm
    • 2P: 5.1kg 220x160x139cm packs to 50x20x20cm;

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  • Vidalido Land Yu 2Persons TC Cotton Military Bed S-T139 Tent

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ultralight trekking tents under 1.5kg

  • TarpTent StratoSpire Li solid inner version
    • dual trekking pole, fabric canopy tent with Dyneema, cuben fibre 8000mm waterhead fly but requires seam sealing
    • set up fly first to avoid inner getting wet in the rain; 1-oz Dyneema flooring;
    • under 850g; 0.96sq.m vestibules x 2; packs to 41 cm x 12 cm;
    • $US699
    • top half of doors are mesh
    • 1035g, dual trekking pole tent; $US339;

budget fair-weather winter tents

better winter tents

  • Marmot Fortress 2P
    • one door is full mesh and full fabric
    • other door is full fabric without mesh for bottom half then dual mesh/fabric top half
    • annoyingly, the ceiling vent does not have mesh to stop insects!
    • canopy 40D Polyester No-See-Um Mesh | 68D Polyester Taffeta
    • floor 70D Polyester Taffeta 2000mm
    • 1500mm fly
    • 9mm DAC poles; packed size 53.3 x 17.8cm ;
    • 2710g;
    • discontinued?
  • OneTigris Stella 2P tent
  • OneTigris Cometa 2P tunnel tent
  • 3FUL Gear Floating Cloud 2 4 season version
    • conventional dual Y hub single spine with crossbar design;
    • almost full 15D nylon fabric inner version (50g heavier than 3 season version) seems to have small sections of mesh at each end, above each door and in ceiling although one image suggests mesh might be top 1/3rd
    • bathtub is 40D silnylon 6000mm PU
    • 2 fly options:
      • 210T DWR polyester 4000mm PU (180g heavier and cheaper at ~$AU304)
      • 15D ripstop silnylon 5000mm ~$AU354
    • comes with a 68D 210T silPU polyester taffeta 4000mm footprint (233g)
    • also has a 3 season inner mesh version 20D nylon
  • 3FUL Gear Taiji 2 4 season version
    • 3 season tent
    • two 9.6mm DAC poles with a standard convex cross pole
    • 20D ripstop nylon inner with only top half of each door having dual mesh/nylon plus dual zippable ceiling vents
    • 20D silNylon 2000mm fly with dual ceiling vents
    • 40D 25,000mm waterhead floor
    • 2.09kg (2021 version is slightly heavier than previous version as uses 20D canopy instead of 15D)
    • 216 x 128 x 100cm high internal area 2.86 sq.m
    • 70cm vestibules
    • packed size 33 x 15cm? + 49cm poles
    • $AU879

alpine snow winter tents

    • great 4 season hike tent (although poles are only 8mm so maybe not for gale winds) for a small stove
    • 3.1m long x 1.8m/1.5m wide x 1.3m tall includes 1m long floorless vestibule for stove and wood;
    • 40D 3000mm PU ripstop silnylon outer with ceiling vents
    • removable 2.1m long x 1.65/1.3m wide full fabric inner tent has three No-See-Um mesh + fabric doors and 40D 3000mm PU ripstop silnylon; bathtub floor which has buckles on each corner to attach to outer
    • 3 x 8mm alloy poles; 3.8kg;
  • WE I-EXPLORE 2 WINTER TENT
  • WE SPACE 2 WINTER TENT
  • Mont Eddie 2
  • Marmot Fortress Ultralight 2-Person Tent
    • 600g lighter version to the above at 2110g
    • packed Size: 18 x 46 cm / 21 x 7.5 inches
    • 68d Polyester Taffeta 190T 2000mm floor
    • 68d 100% Polyester Taffeta 1500mm fly
    • 40d 100% Polyester No-See-Um Mesh
    • 68d 100% Polyester Taffeta inner
    • floor area: 2.97 m2; height 107cm;
    • $AU719
    • great tent although the unusual pole set up can be confusing; 9.6mm DAC poles; 30D 2000mm ripstop nylon DWR PU fly; 20D ripstop nylon inner;
    • 2 large doors each with full mesh/fabric dual layers; zippable vents; 25,000mm 70D nylon floor;
    • $AU999
    • designed for alpine use; pentagonal footprint with aerodynamic nose design;
    • 248x130x108cm giving 2.95m2 area plus two doors and 80-cm wide vestibules on each side;
    • 9.6mm DAC poles are OUTSIDE the fly and pass through tunnel sleeves
    • 2.6kg; packed size 44x18cm plus 45cm poles;
    • $AU1249
    • US designed civilian version of their military tent to be a versatile, tough, durable 2P 3 and 4 season tent depending upon configuration
    • 70D tub floor on inner which is almost completely mesh attached to a the common 2 crossover aluminium pole system with transverse pole but in this case they all join in the middle at a hub
    • two large doors, 30D Multicam fly has a generous vestibule with 3“ wide storm flaps
    • 70D groundsheet
    • the AI version (“All-In”) includes the Cold Weather pack which has a full fabric windbreaker which encloses the inner mesh to convert it to a 4 season tent plus snow/sand stakes
    • 19”x8“ 500D heavy duty stuff sack
    • 4.4kg! $US586

single door expedition alpine tents

3P full fabric tents

  • Exped Venus III DLX EX
    • 4 season, 4.9kg, extra large vestibule making it 4.45m long
    • 115cm high
    • $AU1995
  • Exped Orion III
    • 4 season, 3.6kg
    • build similar to Orion II above but 160cm wide and 140cm tall and total length 3.5m not 3.1m
    • $AU1299
  • Big Agnes Copper Spur Expedition HV 3
    • 4 season
    • 1200mm silnylon fly
    • minimal door mesh area so perhaps too warm for Australian summers
    • 10,000mm floor
    • 2.8kg
    • 229 x (158 to 178) x 104cm high
    • 76cm vestibules
    • packs to 51 x 20cm
    • $AU929
  • OnePlanet Goondie 3 Nylon
  • OnePlanet Wurley 3 snow
  • OnePlanet Wurley 3
  • MacPac Polaris
    • 3-4 season 3P version of MacPac Apollo aimed at school groups
    • 217 x 180 x 120cm high 3.6 sqm floor area
    • 75cm 0.8sq.m vestibules supported by ridge pole which extends to ground
    • 40D nylon inner
    • 1500mm PU fly
    • 70D PU 10,000mm waterhead floor
    • packs to 60 x 22cm
    • 3.53kg
    • $AU459 on special but seems to be discontinued - perhaps due to feedback on design problems
    • issues: fly touches inner which compromises rain proofing and the floor is not as waterproof as it could be according to reviews, and can't pitch inner taut; when opening the fly door during rain, the water runs into the inner tent; fly zip constantly gets caught in the storm flap;
  • Marmot Fortress 3P
  • Outdoor Connection Breakaway Rambler 3P Dome Tent
    • super cheap budget tent for car camping when there is no wind or rain forecast or for use inside a larger shelter
    • HTS Protek2000 Outer Fly fabric waterproofed to 1000mm MIMIMUM; 68D inner fabric 2 large Durafine No-See-Um mesh T zip doors each with internal zip up privacy layer;
    • no vestibules;
    • 180(W) x 200(L) x 120cm(H)
    • 2.8kg; there is no 2P version as of 2023;
    • pros
      • super cheap;
      • a potential great option for use under a tarp or inside a larger shelter when you don't need to be paying a lot of money for waterproofing
      • large No-See-Um mesh doors front and rear with internal privacy screen so you don't have to zip up the fly
    • cons
      • not waterproof - don't use in anything more than light showers unless you have it in a larger shelter or under a tarp
      • too short which makes it problematic with tall people or stretcher beds;
      • annoying 5 and 6mm fibreglass poles need to be passed through sleeves and can catch on the ferrules.
      • probably not windproof - the poles are liable to break as they are only 5mm and 6mm but the sleeves may help to protect them
      • does not seem to have vestibules
  • Homful Double CrossOver Tent (NO FLY!)
australia/tents_coolnights.txt · Last modified: 2023/12/24 16:24 by gary1

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